Ansel Elgort sat down with MTV to talk about his DIVERGENT audition process. Watch the interview by clicking on the picture below:

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“I auditioned for Four,” he said, referring to the “Divergent” role played by Theo James. “We did a few takes and it wasn’t really working — it was okay, whatever — and [my friend] was like, ‘You should take a knife and hold it while you’re giving the speech.’ So I took a big kitchen knife, a big one, and I had the kitchen knife and I was holding it, playing with it, giving this speech as Four…”

He paused, and then laughed.

“I wasn’t ready for Four.”